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That is something our group has been asking the DNR for months and they have not provided the answer. We asked in person and via emails. We are being told that the data set is "messy"  ::)

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I guess this makes me a wildlife expert now because these are a few of the recommendations our board came up with.  :D :D


The last line of that story is not true. The 1000 deer that have died did not die from CWD but rather lead poisoning or arrows or car bumpers. Later it was discovered that those 1000 deer had the Infected prions in there body but that was NOT what killed them.

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Archery / Re: Project Bison
« on: February 25, 2008, 07:14:26 AM »
I just got word from the Bison hunter. He has his bull. He got penetration on both sides but the arrow did not completely pass through and exit the far side. He got both lungs and the heart and the beast broke his arrow in 3 pieces.


Live weight 2,4000 pounds, Hanging weight (without head, hide, hoofs or guts) 1,109 pounds. Total boneless meat is 717 pounds. It scored in the SCI top 20. I hope to have pictures soon.


the guy's partner got his bull with a restored Sharps rifle and put 6 shots in the boiler room before his bison went down.


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Archery / A trip to the Wisconsin Bowhunters Museum
« on: February 09, 2008, 10:01:16 PM »
I drove up to Clintonville, WI for the open house held at the WBH museum. It's just getting under way but I can tell they they will soon be out of space.



Immediately upon entering I saw a few Broadhed collectors and we began talking. Then I took a tour of the whole place. There is a lot of neat stuff to see, including the donated collection from the estate of the late ABCC Member Keith Huehnerfuss. There is about 3000 heads in that collection. It is very impressive.





There is also a collection of all the broadheads that were made in Wisconsin with info on the heads maker and location in the state.



There was a lot of really great vintage bowhunting and archery gear from waaay back









Lots of vintage stuff behind the glass from the likes of Bear, Case, Pearson, LaHa, Wiffen, etc. and now even some new replica vintage arrows with a flint knapped and a steel trader point head donated by some guy called Rancid Crabtree.



The broadhead collectors traded heads and planned the WI version of the ABCC member get together. It will be held in two weeks in Hixton



If you have not had a chance to check it out and you are in WI. Make the drive to Clintonville and look around.

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Whitetail Deer / The CWD SAG final report
« on: February 08, 2008, 02:17:18 PM »
is now on the DNR web site

Click HERE for WDNR CWD SAG report
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/wildlife/whealth/issues/CWD/advisory.htm

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Archery / Broadhead Collection
« on: February 05, 2008, 06:51:53 AM »
My Son Josh and I just loaded the latest case with heads. Josh has the beginnings of a really great broadhead collection. We built two cases. One holds the modern, screw in type heads and the other holds the old school glue on heads. Each case will hold 125 heads and both are nearly filled. It has been a great project for the two of us.








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Wisconsin DNR Outdoor Reports and News / It's at Your doorstep now!
« on: January 30, 2008, 05:10:51 PM »
Guess who is new to WI and beginning the fight to take away your right to hunt. I got this from the HRC only moments ago. The Alliance for animals (great sounding name huh?) now has roots in Madison and has a lobbyist. Lori Nitzel will be spending time in Madison bending the ears of the laws makers to take away your rights.

What are this new groups action items??? Animal advocacy and protection. Raising awareness about animal cruelty and education on the prevention of cruelty.

What are this groups Lobbying interests??? All legislation affecting animals: WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT, HUNTING; puppy mills; cruelty legislation; animals in domestic violence; environmental legislation affecting animals; etc.

They have just formed and have yet to pour any money into Madison But it is here and coming after you. This is where the HRC will have your back and the backs of all hunters, whether you are pro this or anti that. The HRC won't care, they and their member groups will put all the petty crap in the background and fight for you. Still having a hard time coming to grips with joining a hunting org? It's time to rise up my friends, or keep fighting about baiting while this group takes away your rights.

http://ethics.state.wi.us/scripts/2007Session/LEOEL.asp?PrinID=4159

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Archery / Re: Project Bison
« on: January 25, 2008, 07:17:48 AM »
I finished all the bison arrows/broadheads and they were picked up by the hunter yesterday. We shot a few test arrows in my shop. The final weight came out to 760 grains. By using (4) 10 inch lengths of weed eater line bundled together and positioned in the front of the shaft, I was able to get a 15% FOC. All the heads are razor sharp and ready to go. I had him take a few shots through the chronograph and he was consistently shooting 200 FPS with his 70 pound Jennings. He will practice with the broadheads for a few weeks and the I will give them one last hone before he leaves for the hunt.


His new arrows will have 67 foot pounds of KE at point blank but more importantly, they will have .674 Lb/Sec. of momentum even at 40 yards he will still be at 63 foot pounds of KE and .654 Lb/Sec. momentum


His whitetail arrows weigh 353 grains and shoot 285 FPS, giving him 64 Foot pounds at point blank but only .446 Lb/Sec of momentum. At 40 yards, he drops to 55 Foot pounds and .414 Lb/Sec of momentum.


That is a 150% increase in momentum at point blank and 158% increase at 40 yards. These will be deep driving arrows. Now he just has to hit the right spot.

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Whitetail Deer / CWD SAG update
« on: January 24, 2008, 08:21:48 AM »
The CWD Stakeholder Advisory Group's web site has now been updated to include the votes taken 2 weeks ago.
You can also see a draft of the document we will be presenting to the DNR Secretary Matt Frank when we meet with him on the 31st.

look under the headings of "polling document" and "Recommendation Summary"


Please note that on the first page of the "Recommendation Summary", under the heading of Crossbows, it states:

Crossbows – Allow use of crossbows for everyone during the archery season
I have sent an email asking that the wording be changed to read "Crossbows – Allow use of crossbows for everyone during the archery season, only within the CWDMZ". I do not want folks to read this and think that this was a state wide recommendation. I have already been told that the change will be made.

Minority reports, such as the WBH stance in opposition to the expansion of crossbows are not yet part of this document. I will be delivering that either today or tomorrow.


This site also includes the agenda for this Saturday's meeting but I do not see a time allocated for public comments. As far as I know, it is still open to the public but you would not be allowed to speak.

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/wildlife/whealth/issues/CWD/advisory.htm

There are also links to videos of about 12 hours of presentations that were given to us. Check them out.

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Big Game Recipes / Maken Bacon
« on: January 15, 2008, 07:20:17 AM »
On Sunday, I finished the long process of making bacon. I will attempt to explain the 2 week process here. Bacon comes from the pork belly but can be made from any part of the pig. Using shoulders gives me a less fatty bacon with more lean meat to enjoy.
 
I bought a 60 pound box of pork trim for sausage making. From this, I set aside 15 pounds of the fatty trim for this bacon. This trim is 72% fat.
 

 

 

 
 
The seasoning, I used was a high Mountain brand. I have had good luck with this brand so I gave it a try.
 

 

 
 
I sprinkled the dry cure and seasonings over the meat and mixed it well
 

 
 
I then placed all the pieces in a container and refrigerated it for ten days. After ten days, I soaked the pieces in cold water for two hours to remove any surface cure.
 

 
 
I placed the pieces of pork on racks and into my pre-heated smoker at 150F.
 

 
For smoke, I use hickory sawdust. I cover the pan with a lid to starve it of air. This allows smoke but no flare ups.
 

 
 
With lid removed
 

 
I smoked the meat until the largest piece reached an internal temp of 165F and then let it cool in the smoker.
 
 

 
I sliced one piece while it was still warm and the fat was still transparent so it's hard to see the fat lines like you see on store bought bacon
 
After cooling overnight I will vacuum seal the pieces whole and slice when I want to fry some
 
 

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Whitetail Deer / CWD board recommendations
« on: January 14, 2008, 04:51:04 PM »
First of all, I would like to thank the other members of our board for their work on the issues involving CWD. A lot of folks put in a huge amount of effort that lead us to the recommendations we drafted on Sat. We voted on a wide variety of issues and some will be happy with our recommendations while others will be dissatisfied. I'm sure there are those who will dismiss the entire effort based on any one single issue that did not get resolved in a manner that agrees with them. That would be unfortunate. None of the board members is under the illusion that we will please everybody. I would also like to state that we were not passing laws of writing bills. We were simply making recommendations. All of our recommendations will then go to the DNR Secretary and then the NRB. The following is the process that will be followed with our recommendations.

January 31, 2008 – Presentation of recommendations to the Secretary (tentative)

February 1, 2008 – Green Sheet to Land Division Administrator

February 5, 2008 – Green sheet to NRB

February 15, 2008 – Send information about hearings to Revisor of Statutes Bureau (earlier than normal practice in order to allow hearings earlier than would otherwise be possible)

February 27, 2008 – NRB meeting and request to go to hearing

March 26 - 29 – Public hearings on CWD rules resulting from the public participation process.

April (1st week), 2008 – Prepare green sheet for adoption the same month (requires Secretary approval to submit the green sheet late)

April 23, 2008 - Natural Resources Board meeting to request adoption of proposed rules.

April 25, 2008 – Submittal of proposed rules to legislature’s chief of clerks.

May 7, 2008 – Likely date of referral to standing committees.

June 6, 2008 – End of first 30-day of legislative review period.

July 7, 2008 – End of second 30-days of legislative review

July 15, 2008 – Needs to be submitted to Revisor’s Bureau or Legislative Reference Bureau

August 1, 2008 – Publication of Administrative Register

Early August, 2008 – Deer regulations finalized to go to printer

September 1, 2008 – Effective date of CWD rules resulting from the CWD Public Dialog

As you can see, there is still a lengthy process and hearings to deal with our recommendations. Our group meets again on the 26th of January for our final meeting to draft our green sheet and to discuss minority opinions.

Now, back to Saturday's proceedings. 15 of the original 18 member board was present on Sat. for the vote. Members of the press were present including, Tim Eisele and Dean Borts. Only 3 members of the public were present throughout various periods of the roughly 10 hour session. None of the members of the public made statements when given the chance.

We agreed as a whole that votes would be pass or fail based on a simple majority. With 15 members voting, that meant 8 votes were required to pass any one item. Nearly 50 items/categories were being voted on with some having sub categories and bullet points as well as new motions from board members. In all, I would estimate some 65 votes were taken. In the interest of time, I will not explain every issue and the voting results. Some of the votes were in dealing with the CWDMZ (Chronic Wasting Disease Management Zone) while others were statewide recommendations. When I get an electronic copy of the the voting on each issue I will send it along. Here are some of the issues that are of interest to Bowhunters. (side note: our recommendations were for a 5 year period, after which they will be evaluated )

Within the CWDMZ, DMU goals will be set at 2001 density levels with a 20% reduction over a five year period. This motion passed.

No longer protect white or albino deer within the CWDMZ. This motion passed.

All State and County lands within the CWDMZ would be open to public hunting with no closed areas and would follow the same rules as the rest of the zone. This motion passed

Season structure within the CWDMZ: This entire portion of motions was replaced with a proposed season structure drafted my a board member and adopted by the group. The single biggest issue was implementing a separate combined muzzle loader/crossbow season. The crossbow use would be for persons of all ages and all abilities.

allow magnifying scopes (above 1X) for muzzle loaders during the ML season in the CWDMZ. This motion passed.

Charge a fee statewide for a buck tag to allow hunters to bypass EAB by buying a higher priced buck only tag. This motion failed.

Provide unlimited buck tags in the CWDMZ. This motion failed.

Hunting at night or with lights (laser). This motion failed

Allow the use of crossbows for everyone (all ages and abilities) during the regular archery season within the CWDMZ. This motion passed with a vote of 9 yea, 5 nea and 1 abstain. (It should be noted that I voted against this motion)

Allow group bagging during the archery season (as is done during firearms season) within the CWDMZ. This motion failed by 1 vote. (I voted against this motion)

Youth deer hunting. The motion was to expand the youth deer hunt to include 16 and 17 year olds. The motion read:Expand the statewide youth deer hunt to ages 12-17 and either sex (meaning youth could harvest bucks) This motion passed.

Allow riles within the entire CWDMZ except in metro zones. This motion passed

Expand shooting from all vehicles of animal husbandry, including trucks with farm plates. This motion failed

Ban the sale and use of urine based scents statewide. This motion failed

Depopulate all deer (cervid) farms statewide and issue no new permits to allow deer farms (this would make deer farming an illegal activity) This motion failed

Ban deer baiting state wide. This motion failed 5 yea, 7 nea and 3 abstain ( I abstained from this vote as the WBH representative since the WBH has a neutral stance on baiting)

Increase penalties for baiting violations. This motion passed 9 yea, 5 nea and 1 abstain ( I was the one that abstained per WBH's neutral stance)

change the penalties for baiting violations from a civil forfeiture to a criminal act. This would make baiting violations a felony. The DNR warden present noted that this would mean that violators (if convicted) would no longer be allowed to possess a firearm nor vote. This motion failed. (I abstained)

change the penalties for baiting violations from a civil forfeiture to a criminal act. Make baiting violations a misdemeanor. This motion failed. (I abstained)

Ban deer feeding state wide. This motion passed 7 yea, 4 nea and 4 abstain. ( I abstained from this vote as the WBH representative since the WBH has a neutral stance on feeding)

Continue sharp shooting within the CWDMZ. This motion failed

The motions to remove deer through various non-hunting methods such as:

Snares. Failed

Trapping, netting. Failed

Introducing wolves to the CWDMZ. Failed

Shooting from helicopters. Failed

Using poisons. Failed

Hunting with dogs. Failed

Introducing deer diseases such as EHD (Blue Tongue) Failed

I would expect a full reporting of all motions and votes through some form of the media very soon.



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Archery / Re: Project Bison
« on: January 13, 2008, 08:44:46 PM »
The shafts showed up in the mail on Sat., so I cut them to length and epoxied the 50 grain brass inserts in place. On Sunday, while smoking 15 pounds of bacon, I had some time to work on the bison arrows again. The fellow asked that I use barred feathers and crest the arrows. The colors he picked were black, red and silver cresting to match the fletching.



While the cresting was drying, I assembled the 125 grain Woodsmen and the 100 grain steel adapters. I also placed 2 brass weight washers on the heads. Total head weight: 235 grains.





Over the course of the day I was able to get two of the shafts fletched.



To boost the arrow weight, I am messing around with string trimmer (weed eater) line. 4 strands is the max I can fit inside the shaft. I plan to weigh the arrows tomorrow. My guess is that 4 strands might be too much.




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Archery / Re: Project Bison
« on: January 10, 2008, 08:00:36 AM »
Well, it seems that I was not re-inventing the wheel with my broadhead test. Watch the attached video. Dale from 3Rivers does it with a soft (and thinner) tanned elk hide. My hide was full grain so it took more force for my test. He also did his test with what looks like a Magnus head. I think the bones and heavy carpet over the shoulder of a bison warrants going overboard in terms of penetration.

I should have known Dale would have done this sort of test. He is as anal as I am. Dale's Parents live about 5 miles from mine. I saw him at Compton last year. He still occasionally hunts in Rosholt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpHpVR5SUX8





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Archery / Project Bison
« on: January 09, 2008, 09:19:16 PM »
I’ve been asked by a friend (the guy who shot the deer with the broadhead in the brain) To outfit him with a arrow and broadhead combination for a February Buffalo hunt out West. He is using his current whitetail bow but wants more than the 350 grain arrow/broadhead set up he uses for deer. I agree with that. Everything I have heard and read about Bison is that you should be shooting for the heavy carpet that covers the front shoulders. I would expect that this hair is thick and matted and since the hunt will take place in February, that it might also be ice covered. For this reason, I will be shooting for an arrow weight over 700 grains.



After looking around for arow shafts, I settled on Carbon Express Heritage with the wood grain look. These shafts weigh around 12 grains per inch. The shafts are on order. Next, I picked the Wensel Woodsman as the broadhead for this hunt because I wanted him to use a strong, cut on contact head. The 3:1 aspect ratio of the woodsman means greater penetration. I ordered from 3Rivers, a half dozen 125 grain Woodsmans and since he will be screwing these into a carbon shaft, I also got some 100 grain steel adapters that are needed to mount a glue on style head to a carbon arrow. For added weight, I also got 50 grain brass arrow inserts instead of the normal 15 grain aluminum inserts. I also got him some brass weight washers.



I am trying to create a front heavy arrow (FOC moved forward) after reading Dr. Ashby’s report on extreme FOC arrows and their increased ability to penetrate. So far, that adds up to 285 grains at the tip alone. The shafting weighs 12 grains per inch and he uses a 29 inch shaft for 348 grains of carbon. He is using a luma nock and (3) 5 inch barred turkey feathers so that should add another 30 grains putting us at 663 grains so far.

Since my son and I are working on a broadhead collection, I used one of the Wensel Woodsmen to do a little testing. The woodsman has a very sharp tip but bison bones are big so I filed a secondary tip angle which shortened the head by about an 1/8 of an inch but will make the tip less likely to bend or curl upon impact with a large bone. I am planning on a worst case scenario in that he hits a rib on both sides of the bison.



Next, I took the woodsman and sharpened it to a fine edge and then lapped it on ceramic plates to get a mirror finish on the cutting edge.





In an effort to show my friend the benefits of a cut on contact head, I set up an experiment where he and I used two very common and popular heads on the market. A Muzzy and a Thunderhead that were in my collection. I used a short length of shaft and some sponges to keep the arrow from sliding around on the scale.





I used a very thick and heavy piece of boot leather as the test medium. I placed the leather over each broadhead and by holding the leather out at the edges, pressed down until the head passed thru the leather. My friend watched the scale to check the poundage. I started with the Muzzy. I pushed down until I reached 30 pounds of force and I could not get the tip to go thru the leather.



Next, I used the Thunderhead and when I applied 24 pounds of force, the head came thru but ripped the leather until the blades could start cutting. The thunder head hole is to the right on the picture above.



Lastly, we used the Woodsman and It went thru the leather so fast and with such ease that we repeated the test several times to make sure we could trust the results. After 4 tries, we kept coming up with the same results. It took 6 pounds of force to slice thru the leather and there was no tearing, just clean cuts. There are other heads on the market with cut on contact tips that are just as good but I think the Woodsman was a good choice for this hunt.

I hope to have the shafts in a few days so I can begin to construct the arrows. In order to reach the 700 plus final weight, I have decided to use a few 27 inch lengths of .065 string trimmer (weed whacker) line that will be placed inside the arrows. This will ad length from front to back but will not change the arrow spine which is 350. I will post more as the project progresses.

 

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Whitetail Deer / Very odd deer injury (with pics)
« on: January 08, 2008, 08:49:54 PM »
This deer was harvested with a bow on Dec. 30th by Jay Trudell in South Eastern Wisconsin. Jay made a great hit and the deer piled up inside of 50 yards.



On New Years Eve, Jay brought to deer to me for processing. I skinned it for a shoulder mount, stopping right behind the ear.



The buck dressed out at 175 pounds and has a good layer of fat on it’s rump. Every indication was that this was a normal, healthy deer. I returned the head to Jay for mounting. After the taxidermist capped the skull, he cut the skull plate to remove the antlers. As he finished the cut, he hit metal. Jay got the skull and antlers back and cleaned them and brought them to be to show me what was inside the brain of this deer. The hide was completely healed and did not give away that there was an injury. The threaded portion of the head had snapped off.







The deer had been shot in a prior season with a Wasp Hammer broadhead. It entered the brain but did not kill the deer. It also passed through the hinge of the jaw and had grown over with bone and prevented the law from opening all but the smallest amount.









I placed one of my aging jaws next to the skull to show how the jaw hinge should look.



Here you can see the opposite healthy side



The bone had grown over the broadhead and through the vent in the blade and bridged the gap.



The upper left arrow shows how much hinge movement was allowed in the jaw, The opening and closing of the mouth had worn a curved area away



The shot appears to have taken from the ground and not an elevated stand and looks to be nearly perfectly broadside. I can’t understand why someone would aim there unless they were taking a neck shot. I think that would have been a poor choice as well.

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