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Whitetail Deer / Rat Slayer SCORES!!!!
« on: September 17, 2007, 05:26:57 PM »
  My hunting partner and I have been watching a few bucks all summer hoping to knock one or two down this fall. Last Saturday was the opener here in Wisconsin, I took my boy The Rat Slayer along for the opening day hunt and set him up where a 10 point buck had been dropping off a point in the evenings in hopes he would get a chance to whack him...  Well, he came down off the bluff really early to stage on some acorns on the ridge side. 1st deer out was a fork horn. Rat let the forky slide by as he kept the 10 pointer focused in his camera ( He was self filming ) The buck passed by at close range, and the Rat Slayer took a sharp quartering shot. The arrow hit just behind the shoulder, just below the spine. The impact was just as the buck stepped out of the screen, but even though, this would be the boys 1st deer ever with a bow, he held his cool and got right on the camera and filmed the deer running away.
  After discussing the shot with him, and realizing there was no exit wound to bleed out, we waited till morning to track. He was lying about 40 yards from where Rat last saw him....

Pic's taken out of the summer scouting footage:




The Rat Slayer and his 1st bow kill ever!!!

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Earn A Buck Program
« on: September 15, 2007, 06:01:22 AM »
  Most good hardcore hunters would support EAB if the WDNR did it correctly instead of making it a fawn slauterfest...  EAB would be a great tool if #1 they en forced it after age 18... Allow the kids to learn how to hunt and grow there skills by actually being able to shoot a deer when it walks by!  I can already hear the complaining by some that there will be cheating going on, and some people will shoot bucks and have there kids tag em. I got news for you, nothing will stop those who cheat except getting busted, and ruining hunting and chasing kids away from hunting is not going to solve that.  Successfull kids stay involved.
  #2  Fawn bucks should NOT earn you anything!!!!  This was set up to reduce the number of deer by killing does that reproduce, NOT bucks...  We are encouraging hunters to kill fawns in an attempt to get there almighty buck tags. Its stagering to see the percentage of EAB tags that are given out for fawn bucks....  I am not saying anyong should be punished for shooting one... Just don't promote it by rewarding them with a buck tag.
  Every time they do EAB we find countless fawns and small does dumped in the ditchs across the area. That was stopped by promoting and bringing back the deer donation program. Now they took that away again. Expect the few low class hunters to start dumping again giveing hunters a huge black eye to the public. We need to reinstate that program if we are encouraging EAB... Alot of hunters would not bring a fawn home to show there family, but would kill it for the almighty tag.
  Another thing...  EAB is not needed every where it is being enforced, as a matter of fact, it is going to devistate my hunting area. I live right on Rome pond wildlife area in the CWD zone. They have already knocked the deer down to staggeringly low numbers here.. But they claim the population rose...  I moniter and keep track of the deer in my area by shining and filming them...  There are very few deer left on the public land. Another season of whacking every doe and fawn is going to have devistating effects on the herd.
  Its time more hunters stood up and fought the DNR's horrible manigment...

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Big Whitetail!
« on: September 14, 2007, 07:33:12 PM »
 I arrowed a Wisconsin buck that was in about that size range. I used to write a colume for the Wisconsin Outdoor guide before they went out of Buisness. Here is the article and pictures....

400 Pound SE Wisconsin Whitetail SLOB!
By Dan Infalt


It was a full two hours before dark, when I heard the 1st deer coming through the cattails. Slurp, Slurp, his feet made the unmistakable rhythmic, sound only feet getting pulled out of muck can make. It kept getting closer, till finally a 140 class ten pointer emerged into a creek that separated me from the bedding area. The buck crossed the creek right where I expected, the turned and headed right at me. I was a mere 6 feet of the ground in a natural blind formed near the union of several huge limbs in a gigantic willow tree that sat alone in an otherwise treeless environment, I got nervous, as I looked directly into the eyes of the beast. It felt like he was starring me down even though I new he did not know I was there. Finally at 7 yards from the tree he turned with the trail and quartered away He stopped at 10 yards to work over a primary scrape offering me a perfect shot. As he walked away, I questioned my decision to let him go.

Just a few days earlier I had seen a much larger buck cross the creek on the same trail, and work this same scrape, as a matter of fact I had seen him several times since the summer. I could not put my tag on a lesser buck, until I gave this buck a worthwhile effort.

I could still see the ten pointer working over some unlucky dogwood bushes in the distance, when a ripple in the creek caught my eye. The buck had slipped in while all my attention was focused on the 10 pointer. I felt foolish for momentarily loosing my concentration enough to lose the ability to hear this one coming. It only took a glance to recognize the buck that had filled my thoughts and dreams since the 1st day I seen him. His massive 9 point rack was dwarfed by the biggest body I had ever seen. He crossed the creek and turned facing me, my nerves and emotions were going nuts. If it was hard to look the ten pointer in the eyes, this was nearly impossible. I kept focused as the slob buck hit spot 7 yards away where the trail finally turned away from me. He stopped facing me head on, put his head down, smelled the ground, then raised his head starring right at me. I wondered if he was hearing my heavy heart beat, but after a short look he just flicked his tail and followed the trail, When he started working over the same licking branch the earlier ten point had worked, I eased my bow back. The arrow was perfect. The buck jumped, looked around then just fell over with a loud thud, and a little kicking.


The 162" score did not do justice for this monarch. His main beams were nearly 30 inches long, and carried there mass all the way to the blunt tips. His tines had circumferences as big around as most bucks bases. You can't just throw a score onto a buck like that. When Lee Gatzke and I, finally got the monster out of the swamp and back to camp, we were amazed when it bottomed out my 300 pound weight scale after field dressing. This buck had to be near 400 pounds alive. I have crossed paths with a few unlucky bucks that scored higher, but this would be my best buck, the one that meant the most.

The moral of this story is not just to brag about my favorite buck, Instead, I would like to share the scouting that was involved in getting this buck.

First of all, it should be said that I believe a hunter seeking a mature whitetail should spend far more time scouting than hunting.

Scouting for me, never really starts or stops, its kind of always going on. Its funny how your ears tune into anything hunting related or having to do with the where abouts of the next monarch. Any way, after hearing about some great bucks some people had seen in a certain area, and seeing some huge sheds another guy had found, I decided to check out this new property. It started at home, looking over plat books to determine land borders and owners, and viewing aerial photo's to find starter points. I started driving around this particular swamp, looking at the trails and tracks in the snow, and also looking at how the local hunters accessed there hunting spots. I walked the land completely, starting in January and completing in march. I looked for the food sources, buck bedding areas, doe bedding areas, travel funnels, rubs, significant tracks, etc. I learned how the bucks traveled this land. However, even more importantly, I learned how other hunters hunted the land, I found the trees they hunted out of, the permanent stands, there parking spots and travel routes to and from there stands . This was then mapped out, and when I compared the travel and bedding of the bucks to the travel hunting of the hunters, I was then able to find overlooked areas where big bucks could find some peace on this property. As usual, one of the best spots was right next to the road only a few hundred yards from the main parking spot. The bucks were bedding in cattails mixed with small trees and dogwood bushes on the other side of a creek within a stones throw from the road. All the hunters walked down the path a way then some turned off and set up, some went to the middle of the swamp and set up. But nobody, walked along the road and set up near the parking lot. It was one of the few spots these bucks had not felt human invasion. The best part was that if I parked my truck just right, I could see into the staging area, and view the bucks as they staged after leaving there bedding area just before dark. Of course this had to be done covertly. I would make believe I was reading the paper and never wear hunting cloths or have hunting stickers on my truck as I did not want to tip off other hunters to where the bucks are. Occasionally all summer I would glass the bucks seeing all the bucks that came out of the bedding area and how they moved around the staging area. At the same time I was watching other bucks in other areas as back ups. I needed a good wind in order to hunt this spot, and once the season came, it was a waiting and watching game until everything was perfect. By watching deer like this, I had learned that a good wind is not necessarily a wind blowing away from the bedding area. This is because the deer would naturally come out much later, or use a totally different exit when the wind was not in there favor, but with the proper cross wind, that was close to being in there favor, I could slip in and get the job done. Moral of the story. 300 hours scouting 1 hour hunting. There are no magic gizmo's, no pixie dust, no easy way to consistently produce huge bucks. You just have to do the work. You have to do the scouting.


"There are no magic gizmo's, no pixie dust, no easy way to consistently produce huge bucks. You just have to do the work. You have to do the scouting."


"it should be said that I believe a hunter seeking a mature whitetail should spend far more time scouting than hunting."

Check out Dan's Hunting Marsh Bucks DVD  http://www.wisconsinoutdoor.com/huntingmarshbucksdvd.htm

Hunting Marsh Bucks DVD

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Fighting Over Bucks?
« on: September 14, 2007, 07:25:55 PM »
I shot a real nice 6 pointer last year gun season. It scored in the 130's as a 6... Really.
Anywho, it ran out into a field after I shot it and I shot it again. My 1st shot was at 10 yards standing broadside with a twelve gage. I could see the impact on the chest. The second shot was while it was running directly away and hit it in the leg. Another guy took a couple wild shots at it when it hit the field, that I am quite sure did not connecgt... He ran after the deer and he was closer when the deer went down and I had to climb down from a blind. He shot the dead buck about 4 times when he got up to it and yelled.. GOT HIM.  When I got over there he argued about it bein g his buck, stating that he watched me miss every shot. I pointed out the shot thru the top of the back indicationmg it was shot from above. He just cl;aimed it was his. The DNR happerned to be watchinmg on the hill, and came down in there truck and even though two other hunters that I did not know told them they saw me shoot the buck, they gave it to the butt head. He was the 1st to tag it. I did not argue... Just left deerless.

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Chronic wasting disease update
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:56:36 PM »
http://www.errorandimproprietydoyle.blogspot.com/



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MADISON — Gov. Jim Doyle will pay a $300 fine for violating the state’s ethics laws by accepting Packers tickets from a firm engaged in lobbying.



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What’s really scary about this,” one business leader told me, “is that we have now have a governor who is willing to use the powers of government to punish political appointees. This time, it’s the Elections Board. Next time, will it be the Department of Revenue? The DNR?”

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"There is a clear pattern of campaign donors getting special access and lucrative state contracts from Doyle," Wiley said, "Sadly this is just the latest in a long line of stories of how Jim Doyle has put Wisconsin up for auction."

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Gov. Jim Doyle today would not say whether he has spoken with investigators probing possible ties between donations to his re-election campaign and controversial decisions by his administration.

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Chronic wasting disease update
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:52:20 PM »
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Doyle's new term begins with appointments
Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle has appointed Sean Dilweg as the state's new commissioner of insurance.

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Dilweg will ensure that the insurance industry continues to be a vibrant part of the Wisconsin economy

  And maybe some more cash domations for the ol campain fund, eh Adolf?

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Other appointments for Doyle's second term as governor, which began today, include:
- Dan Schooff as deputy secretary of the Department of Administration. Schooff most recently served as campaign manager for Doyle's reelection campaign

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Patrick Henderson as the executive assistant at the Department of Administration. Henderson previously was Doyle's legislative director.

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Chronic wasting disease update
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:50:35 PM »
Looks like at least some Media outlets are finally starting to see what is really going on.

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This lack of experience at the top (of the DNR) is a true conservation travesty
  The true "travesty" is that people actually voted for Adolf Doyle :evil:   I really have to wonder if he cheated his way into winning the election? There can't be a sportsman on Earth that would vote for him.

   Here it is in a nut shell....   Our DNR leaders fired and replaced with the Governors clones. Now he can pay back all those campain donations I hear he received from Auto insurance companys.[/quote]

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Chronic wasting disease update
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:48:29 PM »
Also, remember DO NOT support Whitetails UnlimIted...  They are funding the WAR ON WHITETAILS

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I am very pleased and excited about the partnership that has been forged with Whitetails Unlimited to bring the reward program into reality this fall. The $400 reward for each positive deer removed during the hunting season recognizes the importance of cooperation between landowners and hunters by giving $200 to the hunter and $200 to landowner on whose land the positive deer was shot.

 I have also heard about them paying for all the printed flyers full of 1/2 truths the DNR has been handing out at deer registrations...

 Here is there contact info if you would like to join me in letting W/U know how you feel about there support of the war on whitetails:

CLICK HERE: http://www.whitetailsunlimited.com/contact_us/session_9cdb815c3d2e/

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Chronic wasting disease update
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:47:04 PM »
I have been doing some background checking on some of these DNR bozo's who are ruining our deer hunting. As I have stated since this all began, I believe that Governor Doyle ( legal head of the WDNR) is behind Wisconsins "WAR ON WHITETAILS".  I sure hope no sportsmen in Wisconsin are responsble for voting that Bozo back in. Seems from what I have heard from DNR staff is you do not want to be caught talking in opistion of the CWD war if you want to keep you DNR job.
  Enough of my rambling.  Here is the point, all the guys leading the WAR ON WHITETAILS are new appointees from Adolf Doyle...

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About the Secretary of Natural Resources
Gov. Jim Doyle appointed Madison attorney and outdoor enthusiast P. Scott Hassett as DNR secretary in January 2003.

P. Scott Hassett

P. Scott Hassett, Secretary Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.
Scott Hassett came to the DNR from a 22-year career practicing law in the private sector, primarily working on employment, criminal and environmental litigation cases.

  Interesting...  No wildlife or bioligy background at all.


  A DNR friend of mine who has been suppling me "inside info",  Sent me some lenthy letters that portray some fustrations with the way Hassett has been treating the rest of the staff. Here are some quotes:

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Within 90 days, I will announce a system whereby any citizen can contact my office to complain about a DNR employee’s behavior or attitude.  Before the announcement, I will communicate clearly and firmly to employees about the business-like behavior that will be the norm.  This new norm will help define the culture.  There will be negative consequences for employees who don’t get it; there will benefits for employees who exemplify the new culture.

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My employees will be accountable, but I have to say that I will also call out those who tell the unsubstantiated stories about the bad DNR.  If I'm to hold my staff to a higher standard others need to know that I am no longer listening to the anecdotal stories without asking the tough questions.  If you're making it up I'm going to find out.

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To make it happen, DNR employees will walk in someone else’s shoes.   If there are workers that fear for their jobs, their families and their future, DNR workers must feel that fear.

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As you know, I’m an outsider in DNR.  I did not come up through the ranks.  I have a fresh pair of eyes.  I try to ask probing questions and listen carefully.  That comes from my training as a journalist and attorney.  I also am a results-oriented person, and I have a mandate from the Governor to lead change in the DNR.

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I have heard again and again that DNR is insulated from the world that others live in.  As a result, I have heard that our personal contacts appear heartless and our decisions disconnected from real needs.  That perception must change.  If the perception is true, the reality must change as well.


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Like any organization, we have to work to maintain good relations with the public, even when we're tired, frustrated or overworked. A few uncooperative staff or isolated sour incidents can kidnap our reputation. We are under a microscopeWe need to help each other.

  Is it just me? Or does this Dude sound a little threatening to unsupportive DNR staff?  I read in the letters that these reports and letters came out just 3 months after Adolf Doyle appointed him Secratary. [/b][/quote]

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Chronic wasting disease update
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:35:36 PM »
You REALLY need to read the meeting notes  :shock:  They admit CWD has probably
been in Wisconsin for over 20 years ( After profiling it would wipe out our entire herd if not stopped within 5 years  :roll:


http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wildlife/whealth/issues/cwd/doc/Notes08_18_07.pdf

 Its kinda funny they put it in PDF format that keeps us from copieing and pasteing quotes  :wink:   

 The 1st thing they do is "remind the public of there role as observers only"  No cornering questions that can't be weasled out of allowed!!

UW Proffeser Scott Craven said CWD cannot be eradictated from Wisconsin... No duh, its in the soil!

Chad Johnson said that research showed that they actually can infect cattle and sheep with CWD if it is injected directly into the brain. However, it does NOT harm there brain.
  Cattle cannot get CWD through digestion.

 Chad claims he believes CWD can be eradicated by taking DRASTIC measures... Well Chad, I got news for you, even if you kill every freaking deer in the world, CWD will still be here in the soil unless you can come up with some way to boil all the soil in the US & Canada in bleach ( the only known way of deactivating CWD from soil....

Then there is Richard Bishop the babbling fool...  You pretty much gotta read that for yourself. 1st he brags how CWD zone hunters are still spending the same amount of money. But licence sales are down up to 20% in CWD zones since CWD, but that might just be the natural decline... And then after talking about how everybody is still spending the same amount on hunting, we can make another $14 million from hunter money if we eradicate CWD under the current situation.......  Notice how he slipped "under the current situation" in there  :roll:   In other words if the deer herd is where its at now, and they stop CWD.... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!  Note to secratary:  Add Richard to my "Idiot list"

Joel Peterson says that deer can be infected by living where once infected deer lived... Really, maybe its IN THE SOIL JOEL  :roll:
 He goes on to say that 3 out of 12 deer that were put in a pen with CWD positive deer became infected.... Geeeese, the way the DNR has been talking you think they all would of gotten in fected???

  His tests also showed when deer were put in a pen with a diseased carcass, 3 out of 12 got in fected.... ( Please insert my comment from his above test starting with "Geeeese"  :roll: )

  Then he says 1 out of 9 (1 1/2 out of 12,) got infected when exposed to Pee/poop from  infectiods....  But yet they keep letting deer farms fill, tranmsport across the continet, and sell, millions of bottles of pee for hunters to pour into new landscapes
 :shock:

  Joel then says, when CWD prions stick to clay in soil, it actually gets more infective, and gives theories to why....  If it is even more infective by mixing with soil, How do you plan to eradicate it out of the soil Joel???   DON'T YOU JUST L;OVE THE FACT THAT THEY WON'T ANSWER AND JUST AVOID THE QUESTION OF HOW THEY PLAN TO "ERADICATE" CWD OUT OF THE HERD AND THE SOIL...  Whats the plan Guys????  How you gonna possibly do that?????


Chad Johnson comes back to say that 28% (total} of Wisconsins deer have genetic resistance to being able to get CWD...  Good thoing there slaughtering those genetic resistant deer  :roll:

 What are other States dfoing about CWD ??  Alan:  Lets postpone that question till some later date...  Yep, you sure don't want us to know that answer do you Alan  :wink:

Next meeting will be Sept 22nd... Convienenetly when most hunters are to busy hunting to interfere, Right Alan???

Alan promisis to discuss any subjects that were missed at the next meeting... Yea right

Alan also asked for copies of ALL press release's prior to release...  You just gotta wonder which ones don't make it to the press....

 Before I hear any biased comments about how all these proffessors agreed with "Alan's" views, please remember, these are not random Proffesors, these are Guys that Alan and his croneys hand picked...  :wink:

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Chronic wasting disease update
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:32:05 PM »
  I would also like to mention that if the WDNR really wanted to stop CWD, and this really wasn't just an excuse to use there unwanted population control tactics, they would get law passed to double fenceing on Wisconsins deer farms where wild deer and fenced deer have nose to nose contact thru the fence...  They are aware of the problem yet they do nothing...  They would also STOP all sales of game farm deer urine that hunters buy and pour out into the enviroment where CWD can get into the soil in new areas... Maine banned sales.. why not Wisc?  Maybe cause CWD is not the real issue?

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Chronic wasting disease update
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:25:00 PM »
Here is what Wyoming DNR officials had to say about Wisconsin officials scare tactics about CWD spreading to humans:

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There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that hunters and others who consume venison containing the proteins that cause the deadly brain ailment chronic wasting disease will get the disease, according to Wyoming Game and Fish Department scientists.

Wyoming officials said the risk of death to humans who eat such meat appear nonexistent.

"Nobody has ever died from CWD and people have been eating (deer meat that could contain prions) for 25 years," said Terry Kreeger, Supervisor of the Game and Fish Department's Veterinary Research Services.

 Here is why we cannot "eradicate" CWD from Wisconsin according to UW Scientists:

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scientists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison suggest that certain soil types serve as natural prion repositories in the wild. As animals regularly consume soil to meet their
mineral needs, it's possible that prion-laden soil particles contribute to the
transmission of prion disease such as CWD among animals.

"Prions most likely enter soil via excretion or from the carcasses of infected
animals,"

"We also wanted to determine how difficult it is to remove prions from clay,"
says senior author Joel Pedersen, a UW-Madison assistant professor of soil
science. "It turned out to be extremely difficult."

In fact, prions could be released from clay only when the scientists boiled the
clay-bound proteins in a detergent solution.

State Representative Garey Bies regarding where CWD came from in Wisconsin.:

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Also regarding Chronic Wasting Disease, I was quite shocked to learn that the University of Wisconsin-Madison, in 1988 inoculated live animals with CWD. One type of animal that was inoculated was mule deer. And I find it more than a little suspicious that a mule deer, shot by a hunter in the Mt. Horeb area during that time, was immediately confiscated by the Department of Natural Resources. Why were the Department and the University not forthcoming with this bit of information? Could these mule deer, infected with CWD by the University be the source of the disease in our native whitetail population? I requested the Committee to inquire with the University as to the nature of the CWD experiments and what happened to all of the animals infected. 

Statement by Dan Infalt on Rabies VS CWD
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30 years of testing to see if they could infect other animals with CWD has resulted in NO test animals getting the disease other than other deer. I would rather eat raw venison off of an infected deer, than handle a rabid Bat. Why not put a big circle on the freakin map and kill all of the bats?? Probably becuase the govener is not getting a kick back from auto insureance companies to reduce the number of Bat / car accidents. Yes freinds... Rabie's is far more dangerous than CWD, and nobody is doing anything to stop it.

Quotes from MATT VERDON DNR CWD Cordinator, in an email response to Dan Infalt:
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Simply put, with the size of the infected area and the factors involved, deer eradication is unrealistic as a means to control the disease.

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There has been research done that shows the disease can be obtained from the environment

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the highest we have seen is 10-12% of the adult population infected.
Matt
Q Matthew Verdon
Chronic Wasting Disease Data Coordinator
Bureau of Wildlife Management
Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources

Dan Infalt on safety issues since CWD regulations went into effect:
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I assume the two guys who almost shot me in the last two years probably  took a hunter safety coarse. I had one guy draw a bow on me in pitch black darkness as I was heading out of the marsh after tracking a friends wounded deer. I heard the arrow slide back and quickly lit the guy up with my flash light, he was at full draw. He started screaming at me, something about how I am going to get myself shot by walking around at night without a flashlight... Yep, the DNR is right, this guy should have a rifle in his hands and several tags to shoot any deer... After all, he had a hunters Safety coarse right? How about the time I walked out of the marsh and had a bowhunter at full draw aiming at the trail waiting for me to walk out? He just let down his draw and staired at me... Both guys I just walked away, it aint worth it to argue with idiots. Would you take your kid out in the cattail marsh where there are guys jump shooting deer but can't see through the cattails at whats beyond?  It is the DNR's responsability to keep hunting safe! I agree, that individules should be held responsible for not following every safety rule. But allowing people to shoot at any deer they see, and encouraging it,  is going to cause people to get shot. It could be your son or my kid that gets it. Opening rifles in these same areas is insane. They closed rifles becuase it was too dangerous, now that we can shoot any thing we see it suddenly becomes safe????

Quality Deer Management Association on CWD management
Uplands Branch (QDMA)
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The QDMA acknowledges that total herd eradication may appear to be the most effective method to contain and control CWD.

At this time, however, the QDMA considers total herd eradication impossible under most circumstances, unacceptable to many segments of society, and impractical as a long-term CWD management strategy.

Aldo Leopold, on wildlife Eradication way back in 1944:
 
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. . This episode shows that a scientific bureau, confronted with a question of wildlife eradication, may prefer to lose the wildlife than to lose time in scientific research for alternatives. In one sense this is water over the dam, but in another it carries a lesson for the future. At best, the scientific base in this case was sketchy, and no imagination had been used in searching for less destructive alternatives."
"It is time for us to learn caution and restraint in our power to eradicate wild things." --Aldo Leopold, December 5th, 1944

Attorney David Mandell
A Safe & Sane Alternative to the
Wisconsin DNR Deer Slaughter
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The DNR’s rush to kill 100% of the deer population in a 361 square mile area in Southwestern Wisconsin
- as soon as possible - is meeting strong resistance from many hunters and landowners. As outlined here,
CAIDS-Wisconsin and these two groups support a more reasoned, balanced approach to successfully
addressing and containing Chronic Wasting Disease in Wisconsin.
Hunter-sportsmen oppose the kill because it is neither for food nor sport. Ninety-eight percent (98%) of
the deer to be killed and incinerated or dumped in the landfill will be healthy animals.
The traditions that
mark the sport of deer hunting are being cast aside. What the DNR has proposed is an all-out “War” against the deer, not a sporting deer hunt.
Area landowners opposed granting the DNR the power to abuse private property rights and view the
plan as a threat to the right to live safely and securely in their communities. Conducting a war-like assault
to search and kill all deer will produce “collateral damage” and materially upset the ecological balance of
the area. The DNR rush to judgement – without adequate research, testing and preparation – simply
adds further insecurity and anxiety that accidents and harm are a certainty.

Dr. James Kroll
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“My strong opinion is that CWD and other diseases never will be eradicated from wild deer  herds.  They just become a factor to consider in management.”
Professor James C. Kroll, Founder & Director, Institute for White-tailed Deer Managament & Research

Colorado DNR Scientist speaks about CWD culling
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The agency's lead scientist on CWD and an early proponent of culling, Mike Miller, said data collected over the years don't show that thinning herds has had any significant effect on the rate of the disease in the wild.

Colorado Officials comment on there 30+ years of CWD
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CWD has never taken down vast numbers of deer as once feared. In fact, in the most infected pockets of the state, the rate of disease among deer is about 10 percent, not much different than it's been for several years.

Professor Charles Southwick comments on culling CWD deer.
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One prominent critic of the culling approach has been retired University of Colorado biology professor Charles Southwick, who has argued that culling might actually exacerbate the spread of CWD.

That's based on his view that clearing deer out of a "hot spot" just opens the door for more deer to come in and contract the disease from the environment, where research suggests the agents behind the disease can subsist in soil and feces.

In addition, Southwick has argued, it might be that most deer and elk have a natural resistance to CWD. By killing off mostly healthy populations, the division might be reducing the creatures that have that resistance, under his view.

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Chronic wasting disease update
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:18:07 PM »
I am working with Alan Crossley on the CWD stakeholders advisory team. If we accomplish anything it will be to refund the food pantry program.

  Rancid,
    How about asking Alan a question for me?  I would like to know how he plans on eradicaticating CWD out of our soil. He and the rest of his cronie's seem to skirt that question and avoid it at all costs. I believe Alan is misleadsing the public by not telling us the total truth about CWD and blowing the facts out of proportion...

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